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Aug 02, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Imagination Land
Guild: I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]
Profession: W/
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Guilds are required to have good communication, and since most people think guildwars is pvp based, Guildwars can show good communication by showing how The Last Pride or another good guild communicates
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Aug 02, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: W/R
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That is an interesting statemente. Never thought about it that way. How do you suggest we fix this? 
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Aug 02, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: W/Mo
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Maybe not be the "real" problem, but at least one of them
Lawnmower, I whole-heartedly agree with you about cleaning up the (let's say) "nonsense" on the chat channels. GW even has a name for it...It's called the "User's Agreement". It's a small agreement that allows GW to revoke a players ability to participate in the game for inappropriate conduct.
There seems to be an industry wide glitch with the "User Agreement" concept though. It would appear that the inclusion of such an electronic document is mandated by some higher authority, or someone is trying to present the appearance of decency. You see, the terms of the "User Agreement" are seldom, if ever enforced. Now, maybe GW or ANET has a group of people who pop in and out of towns and districts monitoring the "appropriateness" of the player's behaviors and they find no offenders! While it is true that it is ANET's policy not to disclose any information about their findings in cases reported to them by players against other players, it may very well hold that they do not "advertise" the fate of "UA" offenders. It would be bad business to secretly ban accounts for UA offences without letting people know that you were, in fact enforcing the standard, wouldn't it?? After all, if a number of people actually "saw" a meassage pop up reading something like: "Shadow Sin's account has been suspended for UA Violations" right after "Shadow Sin" spit out a slew of racial slurs......hummmm. Think the word would get around? GW and ANET does monitor the chat lines. Unfortunately, until we see something like that, we may never know. It would seem that unless the players actually see some "proof" of enforcement, for every offender booted, another would simply takes his/her place. (well, maybe not exactly one for one) Oh, BTW...JETDOC calls it mass censorship, 1984 monitoring/persecution and even fear-type environment. Please don't make me laugh! We're talking about a game, not someone's bedroom!! ANET has developed and released a product that is available to minors. They have the FIRST responsibility to ensure that they take ALL of the PRUDENT steps to ensure that the terms of "THEIR" UA are enforced. Adults who give the minors access to this game must then exercise their responsibility to do the same. |
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Aug 02, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Centralia, Washington
Guild: Angelz of Destruction
Profession: W/
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A few simple words from a simple person...
That is why god made Ventrillo and TeamSpeak ^.^ I seriously doubt that GWs will ever have a server that lets you speak to others in game, too much of a hassle. Plus they would have to police it 24/7.. and if that ever did happen, you know it would just turn out to be like Yahoo Chat all over again! |
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Aug 02, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Finland
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Anet needs to separate trading from local chatting and have better spam filters. Channels are mainly flooded with trade messages and spam. That is the biggest reason why communication in towns is a mess.
PvP at least in Guild Wars need quick decisions, timing and awareness. Chat channels are useless for that because typing is too slow. Only solution is voice chat but public voice chat will never be reasonable. Most of people don't know how use it properly. It would be a pure chaos and then you want to mute everyone. PvE communication can be a lot more slower because of AI and predictable builds. It is purely party members fault if they can't read or write english. You can't be a lonely wolf and ignore everyone else. Experienced players however mostly know what others want and can work as independent players. Works pretty good but again most of community can't do that. No communication system can help that anyway if they don't even listen. In-game voice chat will never come to Guild Wars until you pay monthly fee. The cost of voice servers is way too high for free. |
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Aug 02, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45
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Hell's Protector
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]
Profession: D/A
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When you're talking about "bannings" being the true way to enforce conduct/communication in the game, to what degree are you willing to take it? Banning someone for cuss words? Maybe. Banning someone for racial slurs? Borderline. Example - if I say "Man, there are nothing but orientals in this district..." - is that a bannable offense? It's certainly rude, but likely more ignorant than vicious. Banning someone for a sexual-orientation slur? Borderline. Example - someone asks how their new 15K mesmer armor looks, and I say "Man, it looks gay..." - is that a bannable offense? What if the person on the other side of the keyboard is homosexual? Banning someone for abusive talk? Borderline. Example - if someone says "Stfu Noob" - is that a bannable offense? I would guess than many teens and pre-teens use that line in chatting to their friends, etc...but to an old geyser like myself, I may take that literally. Should we infer malicious intent? Again, it's not the "mass mind control" you're reading into my post - it's the fact that when you start down the slippery slope of censorship, it's really hard to draw the line as to what is acceptible and what is not, especially when you have no idea who is on the other side of the keyboard. And when that censorship determines whether you're even allowed to play the game - that's even worse. |
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Aug 02, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19
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Underworld Spelunker
Join Date: Feb 2005
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a short time ago someone posted here that a guildie was mouthing off to a person with funny colored text who told him he was in violation of the user code and faced a ban. he didnt believe it and mouthed off some more and his account was locked. so yes it does happen and in front of witnesses |
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Aug 02, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New York, NY
Guild: Idiot Savants [iQ]
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Aug 03, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Censored
Guild: Censored
Profession: R/
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Would have to be a bit more defineing, like chinks or Japs( no offence meant to anyone) to be a ban. offence. Quote:
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privat chats. Quote:
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Aug 03, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27
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Hell's Protector
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]
Profession: D/A
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This is what I'm talking about - one person's definitions of "offensive" varies from another's. Instituting workplace language controls isn't the answer in a game that is supposed to be "fun", IMO. Understanding the environment that you're in (including the various maturity levels of the players involved) and instituting your own "filter" is the best way to handle the OP's initial concern, IMO. If you find something very offensive, use the Ignore button - it's that simple. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Censored
Guild: Censored
Profession: R/
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When you watch a movie or a serie on tv they will bip the "offencive" words for the sake of minors, so I can not see how a chat filter would be out of place in a game sold to age group +12, I think that by it self say's that it must be filterd. If it is left totally un filterd I think the age grouping should be at least +15. Not being able to use abusive language in a game like GW might actually teach some of these young ppl that you can have a conversation without profanitys. What is the point of having a User agremment if it is not upheld? Even here on GURU we have a filter, thank god.
And if you are worried that someone passing by will take offence to a joke, then you allready know it to be offencive and can go private to tell it same as you would at a party or at work. Last edited by Stockholm; Aug 03, 2006 at 01:34 AM // 01:34.. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brazil
Guild: dTe - Do The Evolution
Profession: N/Mo
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People are speaking a lot viewing from cultural standpoints and all, and in fact, the problem stated on this thread has nothing at all to do with that! People being asses, or speaking curses and all are a problem that wont be solved by ANY action from anet, thought I agree, the VERY LITLE they can do (that is monitoring the chats, applying strong spam filters and all) they ARE NOT doing!!! But still, this isn’t and shouldn’t be their main concern.
As game designers, they should look from a developer perspective and get to the simple conclusion, ALL the communication system present today in Guild Wars is 100% useless. And I am not exaggerating, I mean, in other MMORPGs you get around in a city with no more then 50 people at one time, and even in those cases a chat system like the one that exists today on the game WOULDNT work at all!!! It’s so HORRIBLE simplistic that looks even worse then IRC communication that’s dated from 10 years (if not more) ago!!! That said, imagine the SAME system applied on places where over then 100 people coexist?!? ALL of them trying to say things, and get heard?! It’s simply ridiculous that they ever thought about implementing a system so poorly designed for these scenarios. And more!!! The chat system today have some sort of "all in one" appeal to it that’s completely unreasonable!!!! The trade chat for instance, it would be SOOOO easily substituted for Auction Houses on major cities... The PARTY system would be easily substituted for some sort of auto - arranging system that would allow you to get around with similar players and actually form a working party, enough with 8 warrior PUGs and all. And the list keeps growing...attributing SO MUCH of the game experience to a chat that is so horrible designed is at least stupid, they want us to make working well balanced parties, but they don’t gives us any tools whatsoever to aid us in this quest, to the point were the mission itself is actually a LOT easier to be done then to create a party to do it. The first reasonable solution would really upgrading the chat system itself, the ability to add a tag with item descriptions (like in WOW) to avoid repetition, a WELL DONE spam filter (nothing like that CRAPPY "suppressed message" system that most of the times blocks useful messages (which you have to type again) and let pass SPAM like hell, and off course, maybe the most simplistic solution EVER, character profiles (account based). I mean, I got to say, I HATE Orkut, but if ANYTHING is to be learn from there is that if you write down your preferences and stuff, you will most likely find people similar to you. We see this sort of stuff since Warcraft II for GOD SAKES!!! It’s true that the "bonus titles" are a leap forward this goal, making a little less annoying to find some one similar to you, but they are still miles away from reaching a reasonable system. The second solution, after upgrading the normal chat, would be to cut out the overflow of messages, that could be done by delegating some functions of the chat to other MORE ORGANISED areas of the game, such as an auction house for sales, a party system for groups, and maybe even a general IN GAME chat, where you wouldn’t need to care about the game itself, and it would work as a place to meet people all around, and simply chat, trade experiences, and maybe (GOD FORBIDES, anet have done everything it could to avoid it) even making some friends. A third solution would be a MAJOR upgrade on the IGNORE / FRIENDS list, I mean, it’s as simple as the chat and simply does not work as it should. First upgrade would HAVE TO BE an e-mail system, I mean, you can’t even leave messages for offline friends!!! Maybe a SEPARATE window for friend’s conversation OUT of the "regular" chat window to avoid (again) the overflow of messages, and other things inspired by MSN and ICQ maybe, it’s impossible for me to understand why anet took 20 years of internet communication system developments and threw it all away. In a design standpoint, its easy to see that the communication in the game is near inexistent, and after 1 year some drastic measures have to be taken, I mean, its nice to see better buttons on the interface and new shinny cast bars, but while a major upgrade on the interface design itself is not done, it will still chop down the game value for about 50%, I mean, if you like GW now, imagine if it really had the MULTIPLAYER component on it, where you could actually make communities, meet people, and gather around to have simply fun, not having to care about accomplishing missions or creating a guild or an alliance or so?!?! It would be a TOTALY different experience then the one we are having today. In the bottom line, I am glad to pay 50US$ for a new expansion that brings TONS of skills, areas, monsters, game types, but I would be even happier paying 100US$ to see those upgrades I mentioned (and that anet is promising us since the release of Prophecies) really done. Later. Last edited by Scavenger Rage; Aug 03, 2006 at 01:44 AM // 01:44.. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00
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#93 |
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2006
Guild: [BAN]
Profession: W/
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lol nice thread.
If there is one thing that stresses me out the most in this whole game ~~~ not counting bugs and lagging ~~~ it'll those scumbags that yell in caps in local and team chats, swears, calling people noobs and such, while in fact they're the wrong one. For example, I tried doing masters for Tahnakai Temple this afternoon. On the assassin boss, this monk was horrible on energy management.. and we all knew he was the weaker monk (there was 2). He casted heal breeze, aegis, heal seed, etc, and went to 0 energy. Like 4 afflicted died in front of his feet one after the other, and close to half of my party, we all got putrid bombed and just got raped. The guys starts yelling curse words, and calling people noobs and all that because we didn't aggro properly. He was *further* up front than I was (I was a warrior). Logs off. Yeah. To Lawnmower ~~ I do realize that chat windows in active trading spots are chaotic at times. Getting into groups is hard ~~ because lots of people suspect *noobs* will ruin their experience. Trading is absolutely horrific since scamming within the rich and experienced towards poor and newer players is very common (e.g. the limited price checking resource and knowledge of some). ~I've been into HA groups where a rank 9 warder ele have absolutely no clue where to spam his wards; and he got in because he was a rank 9 ~~ apparently an e-bayer we suppose. There is a million other things I can flame, discuss, cherish about this game in terms of communication. YES, give suggestions to the ANet team, etc, etc, but I think you just gotta live with these things until ANet takes action. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Flying Gophers
Profession: Rt/P
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Let's look to Avenue Q for insight on the issue of how the EULA should be enforced and why it can be risky in some situations...
Excerpt from Everyon'es A little Bit Racist - From Avenue Q "Christmas Eve: BRIAN! Come back here! You take out lecycuraburs! Princeton: What's that mean? Brian: Um, recyclables. Hey, don't laugh at her! How many languages do you speak? Kate Monster: Oh, come off it, Brian! Everyone's a little bit racist. Brian: I'm not! Princeton: Oh no? Brian: Nope! How many Oriental wives Have you got? Christmas Eve: What? Brian! Princeton: Brian, buddy, where you been? The term is Asian-American! Christmas Eve: I know you are no Intending to be But calling me Oriental - Offensive to me!" All lyrics are property and copyright of their owners. All lyrics provided for educational and language learning purposes only. Alright, well, from that lesson...sometimes we may do things that are malicious to some, while we mean no harm. How do we all judge what is acceptable to everyone? Will it ever be? I think only sever offenders should be punished. It's easy to see the difference between just speech and harassment. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14
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#95 |
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]
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get teamspeak
www.goteamspeak.com or ventrilo www.ventrilo.com When in randoms, it doesnt matter if you have voice or typing skills or not, 99% of players in random arenas are too stupid to read anyway. Same reason IWAY doesnt use voice most of the time. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15
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#96 | |
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Aug 03, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Censored
Guild: Censored
Profession: R/
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Aug 03, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37
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#98 |
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I'd offer you some cheese with that whine, but I see plenty already.
90% of the people on Internet are idiots. I'm surprised you didn't know that by now. Find a guild and stop whining. |
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Aug 03, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38
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#99 |
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Im seeing 1984 deja vu, if any1 gets that lol.THOUGHT POLICE FTW!!!
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Aug 03, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46
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#100 |
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: BEN
Profession: R/N
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hehe yeah I seriously dont think there are in game gm's in guildwars.. there used to be when it was new a year back (I got banned 2 times for just having crazy names) but I've seen things in districts that should be a ban and it just gets out of control- these are the main towns/districts too
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